Cheers.

Cheers.

It will get there one day, but it will be years still… perhaps a decade or more…

It will get there one day, but it will be years still… perhaps a decade or more…

My guess is that you'll like it pretty well, as I did, but it's only a guess.

Cheers.

I think Nero got shortchanged, sort of, because he almost had to be. The more you look at him, the less you have a villain. Or something.

My guess is that you'll like it pretty well, as I did, but it's only a guess.

Cheers.

I think Nero got shortchanged, sort of, because he almost had to be. The more you look at him, the less you have a villain. Or something.

I never thought they quite caught that in the later incarnations.

Even imperfect, I'm planning to go and enjoy. As a scientist, I've long ago learned to check my science hat at the door with damn near every science fiction movie (one, maybe two exceptions come to mind, three if you count Apollo 13 as science fiction).

I'll be tickled to death if they do a credible job of bringing my favorites together.

I never thought they quite caught that in the later incarnations.

Even imperfect, I'm planning to go and enjoy. As a scientist, I've long ago learned to check my science hat at the door with damn near every science fiction movie (one, maybe two exceptions come to mind, three if you count Apollo 13 as science fiction).

I'll be tickled to death if they do a credible job of bringing my favorites together.

I never thought they quite caught that in the later incarnations.

Even imperfect, I'm planning to go and enjoy. As a scientist, I've long ago learned to check my science hat at the door with damn near every science fiction movie (one, maybe two exceptions come to mind, three if you count Apollo 13 as science fiction).

I'll be tickled to death if they do a credible job of bringing my favorites together.

I also like your assessment of Abrams' failing with character study–making all the right noises w/o really understanding the process. I think that's something that Wolverine really suffered from–by comparison Star Trek looks so much better. I did feel Nero got shorted in this, though–he inspired enough interest and I think the picture would have resonated more if we'd delved into his timeline a bit more. I realize he was just a plot point in this introductory film, but he was too complex and intriguing to be reduced to cardboard villian.

Over all a ridiculously enjoyable film, and if I can forgive the styrofoam rocks and the red shirt=death scenarios, I can forgive this film a few modern day flaws as well. *G*

I also like your assessment of Abrams' failing with character study–making all the right noises w/o really understanding the process. I think that's something that Wolverine really suffered from–by comparison Star Trek looks so much better. I did feel Nero got shorted in this, though–he inspired enough interest and I think the picture would have resonated more if we'd delved into his timeline a bit more. I realize he was just a plot point in this introductory film, but he was too complex and intriguing to be reduced to cardboard villian.

Over all a ridiculously enjoyable film, and if I can forgive the styrofoam rocks and the red shirt=death scenarios, I can forgive this film a few modern day flaws as well. *G*

There are a great many points that could be picked apart, mostly especially I'll give you the ludicrous design of the Romulan ship, but you could do as much with the original series and/or just about anything sci-fi.

Warp speed will work if you've got nothing else.

The game assumes a sort of contract to suspend some amount of disbelief.

You've got to play along to some degree, or at some point you're misgivings become uninteresting. You may not like time travel, and fair enough frankly, but, “there's time travel in it, and there's no such thing as time travel,” is hardly a workable detraction.

You have to draw the line somewhere with respect to the scrutiny you can legitimately aim at a movie. After all, it's got time in it too, and there's no such thing as that either.

Appreciate the comment.

While were on the subject lets throw the canon in a corner and take a massive crap on it. Then take the pieces that didn't get any shit on them and throw them back in to the movie willy nilly.

I almost didn't go to see this movie when I heard it involved time travel. I mean the instant you bring TT into a movie it is nearly impossible to reconcile the paradoxes thus created. Seriously…. Deranged miner blames Spock for the destruction of Romulus so he “ends up” going back in time and once there decides to exact revenge on Spock by destroying Vulcan and Earth. Oh yeah Spock also “ends up” going back in time 25 years after that, and mean ol' Romulan guy is waiting for him, captures him and then proceeds to destroy Vulcan (and kills Spock's mom too the big meanie), and now we have 2 Spock's in one time and some junk that makes “Black holes” called “Red Matter” (imaginative name ay! cause it's matter, and it's red… get it?), and all the history of who, how, and what is thrown out the windows (the canon). So if Romulus is destroyed what would be the point of attempting to make peace with a race who's planet will be destroyed in a supernova some time in the future? You figure out the logic (or lack thereof) behind it all.

Next up lets change some of the characters…. Like making Spock and Uhura hot for each other (what, Ohhhh!, Huh?). Wasn't it Nurse Chapel who was hot for Spock, Oh… Right she's not in this one. Oh and Uhura rooms with a green Orion slave girl with a bad body paint job (cause Starfleet needs horny oversexed controlling women in it's ranks). Well make Scotty an eccentric guy with a little alien comic relief dude for an assistant. Then there's the reckless, yet some how always right Kirk. Except Kirk was never reckless. Spock is played as a brooding know it all (broderline EMO) douche bag who flies off the handle over the slightest insult, and don't even say “yo mama” to him. Then for good measure toss in a little bit of Sulu and Chekov (just a little cause we don't know how to develop their characters). Though we will make Chekov an over reactive spaz. Then there are the Vulcan's who have suddenly become snotty eugenics types who conveniently have emotions whenever they feel like it.

Now the ships and equipment… The inside of the ships vary from hospital like sterility with a touch of art deco discotheque thrown in, to what looks like a large chemical plant , sewer plant, or maybe a brewery. The hand phasers did a silly mechanical switching from stun to kill. The giant mining ship looked like it escaped from an episode of Babylon 5. For a utilitarian device it has alot of un-necessary nasty/evil looking spikes and protrusions all over it. I could just see some Romulan ship designer having his design rejected for not being SCARY enough “damn the cost! I want my mining ship to scare the piss out of an asteroid before I strip it of minerals”. The Enterprise looked like Chihuly had a hand in it's design.

Okay… Enough Bashing, now to the things I did like about the movie.

The CG and special effects are top notch. The battle scenes are nice and messy, and sometimes when we are outside the ship there is no sound (just like in real space). We get to see the Enterprise maneuver more like a fighter jet then wallow around going only left and right like they did in most of the TV series.

There were some quite funny, but mostly irrelevant moments throughout the movie. There is even the gratuitous red shirt who gets killed. Doctor McCoys Character is nearly spot on, and he spouts a few of TOS cliches. We actually get to see Captain Christopher Pike do something more that go “beep” or even “beep…. Beep….”. The original communicator even makes a couple of cameos.

For the most part though they might as well have made the movie about a completely different set of characters that had nothing to do with the original.

There are a great many points that could be picked apart, mostly especially I'll give you the ludicrous design of the Romulan ship, but you could do as much with the original series and/or just about anything sci-fi.

Warp speed will work if you've got nothing else.

The game assumes a sort of contract to suspend some amount of disbelief.

You've got to play along to some degree, or at some point you're misgivings become uninteresting. You may not like time travel, and fair enough frankly, but, “there's time travel in it, and there's no such thing as time travel,” is hardly a workable detraction.

You have to draw the line somewhere with respect to the scrutiny you can legitimately aim at a movie. After all, it's got time in it too, and there's no such thing as that either.

Appreciate the comment.

While were on the subject lets throw the canon in a corner and take a massive crap on it. Then take the pieces that didn't get any shit on them and throw them back in to the movie willy nilly.

I almost didn't go to see this movie when I heard it involved time travel. I mean the instant you bring TT into a movie it is nearly impossible to reconcile the paradoxes thus created. Seriously…. Deranged miner blames Spock for the destruction of Romulus so he “ends up” going back in time and once there decides to exact revenge on Spock by destroying Vulcan and Earth. Oh yeah Spock also “ends up” going back in time 25 years after that, and mean ol' Romulan guy is waiting for him, captures him and then proceeds to destroy Vulcan (and kills Spock's mom too the big meanie), and now we have 2 Spock's in one time and some junk that makes “Black holes” called “Red Matter” (imaginative name ay! cause it's matter, and it's red… get it?), and all the history of who, how, and what is thrown out the windows (the canon). So if Romulus is destroyed what would be the point of attempting to make peace with a race who's planet will be destroyed in a supernova some time in the future? You figure out the logic (or lack thereof) behind it all.

Next up lets change some of the characters…. Like making Spock and Uhura hot for each other (what, Ohhhh!, Huh?). Wasn't it Nurse Chapel who was hot for Spock, Oh… Right she's not in this one. Oh and Uhura rooms with a green Orion slave girl with a bad body paint job (cause Starfleet needs horny oversexed controlling women in it's ranks). Well make Scotty an eccentric guy with a little alien comic relief dude for an assistant. Then there's the reckless, yet some how always right Kirk. Except Kirk was never reckless. Spock is played as a brooding know it all (broderline EMO) douche bag who flies off the handle over the slightest insult, and don't even say “yo mama” to him. Then for good measure toss in a little bit of Sulu and Chekov (just a little cause we don't know how to develop their characters). Though we will make Chekov an over reactive spaz. Then there are the Vulcan's who have suddenly become snotty eugenics types who conveniently have emotions whenever they feel like it.

Now the ships and equipment… The inside of the ships vary from hospital like sterility with a touch of art deco discotheque thrown in, to what looks like a large chemical plant , sewer plant, or maybe a brewery. The hand phasers did a silly mechanical switching from stun to kill. The giant mining ship looked like it escaped from an episode of Babylon 5. For a utilitarian device it has alot of un-necessary nasty/evil looking spikes and protrusions all over it. I could just see some Romulan ship designer having his design rejected for not being SCARY enough “damn the cost! I want my mining ship to scare the piss out of an asteroid before I strip it of minerals”. The Enterprise looked like Chihuly had a hand in it's design.

Okay… Enough Bashing, now to the things I did like about the movie.

The CG and special effects are top notch. The battle scenes are nice and messy, and sometimes when we are outside the ship there is no sound (just like in real space). We get to see the Enterprise maneuver more like a fighter jet then wallow around going only left and right like they did in most of the TV series.

There were some quite funny, but mostly irrelevant moments throughout the movie. There is even the gratuitous red shirt who gets killed. Doctor McCoys Character is nearly spot on, and he spouts a few of TOS cliches. We actually get to see Captain Christopher Pike do something more that go “beep” or even “beep…. Beep….”. The original communicator even makes a couple of cameos.

For the most part though they might as well have made the movie about a completely different set of characters that had nothing to do with the original.