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I mean causality in a non spiritual, non forceful way. None of us were there so we have no idea. We can just speculate. Perhaps whoever was supposed to keep the set in order wasn't doing a very good job at managing the direction of everyone. Perhaps he misjudged the field of view of the camera by a couple feet, tried to make a correction and over-judged the boundaries. The judgment error could have been an assistants fault, set designers fault, anyone that has something to do with the scene. Passing around blame is always below finding a solution.

There can be over 100 people on a set like that, it needs management that one person can't handle on their own no matter how amazingly talented they are.

It's not Bale's job to handle any of that, he is there to act.

Bale's apology sounded thoughtful, he called himself a punk for his actions; we all lose it now and then. He stated that Shane did an amazing job on the film from the post-production he has seen. Completely assuming a thought process of a character like John Conner has to cause quite a bit of psychological stress, and it can overlap into judgment of reality. They claim to have resolved the issue the same day the argument took place.

A more thought out way of responding would be to stop and figure out exactly what was going wrong so it could be avoided. Push crew members back a couple feet or whatever it takes. That's why there are so many people there to handle the situation. We need each other.

I was trying to think of an analogy that involved too many circumstances to be easily explained, I failed with that.

Doesn't mean the anger is avoidable, but there's no reason to let it control you. Some people do live for anger like a masochistic drug, but that's more of a psychological debate.

Julia Roberts. ha. I doubt as many people would care if she just laughed at herself, explained her dislike of being hounded in an intelligent way and moved on. Legal stalking is a pretty serious issue, but she chooses to do what she does and that's a part of it. They'll also shout or say inappropriate things just to get the money shot, it's her choice if she gives it to them or not. Got to get paid.

I mean causality in a non spiritual, non forceful way. None of us were there so we have no idea. We can just speculate. Perhaps whoever was supposed to keep the set in order wasn't doing a very good job at managing the direction of everyone. Perhaps he misjudged the field of view of the camera by a couple feet, tried to make a correction and over-judged the boundaries. The judgment error could have been an assistants fault, set designers fault, anyone that has something to do with the scene. Passing around blame is always below finding a solution.

There can be over 100 people on a set like that, it needs management that one person can't handle on their own no matter how amazingly talented they are.

It's not Bale's job to handle any of that, he is there to act.

Bale's apology sounded thoughtful, he called himself a punk for his actions; we all lose it now and then. He stated that Shane did an amazing job on the film from the post-production he has seen. Completely assuming a thought process of a character like John Conner has to cause quite a bit of psychological stress, and it can overlap into judgment of reality. They claim to have resolved the issue the same day the argument took place.

A more thought out way of responding would be to stop and figure out exactly what was going wrong so it could be avoided. Push crew members back a couple feet or whatever it takes. That's why there are so many people there to handle the situation. We need each other.

I was trying to think of an analogy that involved too many circumstances to be easily explained, I failed with that.

Doesn't mean the anger is avoidable, but there's no reason to let it control you. Some people do live for anger like a masochistic drug, but that's more of a psychological debate.

Julia Roberts. ha. I doubt as many people would care if she just laughed at herself, explained her dislike of being hounded in an intelligent way and moved on. Legal stalking is a pretty serious issue, but she chooses to do what she does and that's a part of it. They'll also shout or say inappropriate things just to get the money shot, it's her choice if she gives it to them or not. Got to get paid.

I mean causality in a non spiritual, non forceful way. None of us were there so we have no idea. We can just speculate. Perhaps whoever was supposed to keep the set in order wasn't doing a very good job at managing the direction of everyone. Perhaps he misjudged the field of view of the camera by a couple feet, tried to make a correction and over-judged the boundaries. The judgment error could have been an assistants fault, set designers fault, anyone that has something to do with the scene. Maybe he was a moron, but the sheer complexity of the project suggests otherwise. Passing around blame is always below finding a solution.

There can be over 100 people on a set like that, it needs management that one person can't handle on their own no matter how amazingly talented they are.

It's not Bale's job to handle any of that, he is there to act.

Bale's apology sounded thoughtful, he called himself a punk for his actions; we all lose it now and then. He stated that Shane did an amazing job on the film from the post-production he has seen. Completely assuming a thought process of a character like John Conner has to cause quite a bit of psychological stress, and it can overlap into judgment of reality. They claim to have resolved the issue the same day the argument took place.

A more thought out way of responding would be to stop and figure out exactly what was going wrong so it could be avoided. Push crew members back a couple feet or whatever it takes. That's why there are so many people there to handle the situation. We need each other.

I was trying to think of an analogy that involved too many circumstances to be easily explained, I failed with that.

Doesn't mean the anger is avoidable, but there's no reason to let it control you. Some people do live for anger like a masochistic drug, but that's more of a psychological debate.

Julia Roberts. ha. I doubt as many people would care if she just laughed at herself, explained her dislike of being hounded in an intelligent way and moved on. Legal stalking is a pretty serious issue, but she chooses to do what she does and that's a part of it. They'll also shout or say inappropriate things just to get the money shot, it's her choice if she gives it to them or not. Got to get paid.

I didn't take status to mean the respective merits of their careers. One is a low-level (at best) cinematographer, and one is a very skilled actor, are about their professionalism and abilities, not their status. Status is more like, hardly anyone is ever going to hear of the cinematographer no matter how good he is at his job, whereas Bale is a big star and everyone knows him, etc. At least that's what I mean by status.

I suppose it is a very debatable point though. Still, I could have said he's the best cinematographer ever, and his status is still miles below Bale's. Since you seemed to be talking about Bale having the status and that meaning something, I thought you were on a similar view of status.

If you find your own analogy meaningless, I frankly don't understand discussing the point.

I think you're completely wrong about Bale's words. I think he was assuming the mistakes were done because the guy is a moron, and I don't think the idea of doing them intentionally, or to purposely sabotage things was ever remotely in his mind.

If, for example, Gordon Ramsay starts screaming at one of the chefs on Hell's Kitchen for undercooking chicken, and he says, “Are you trying to poison the customers!?” That doesn't imply that he actually believes they are really acting with the intention of poisoning the customers.

His own analogy, thrown out in a fit of rage, talks about tearing down the lights, because what else could he say? What he could accidentally do that would mess with the cinematographers job? Nothing. There would be no analogy.

His mistake of walking into the scene so that he was in the shot is unlikely to have no causality behind it? I don't know what that means. Someone shoved him?

Why does he have to be looking for answers?

How do you know that Bale's situation was not one that could justify outrage? You weren't there, and you have absolutely no idea what the situation was.

The whole point of this article, by the way, is not that I think… Hooray for Bale going off on that guy… it is that it is totally ridiculous that anyone cares one way or the other, nevermind everyone just going berserk with the holier than thou attacks on him.

As I mentioned in the article, a video came out at about the same time of Julia Roberts going off worse than Bale on a Papparazzi, and did anyone suddenly say she needed massive therapy, and needed to apologize to the guy? Not likely. The video was bought off in a matter of days, but plenty of people saw it, but is anyone going to talk about it? No. Not sweet, apple pie Julia Roberts.

It's all nonsense.

I didn't take status to mean the respective merits of their careers. One is a low-level (at best) cinematographer, and one is a very skilled actor, are about their professionalism and abilities, not their status. Status is more like, hardly anyone is ever going to hear of the cinematographer no matter how good he is at his job, whereas Bale is a big star and everyone knows him, etc. At least that's what I mean by status.

I suppose it is a very debatable point though. Still, I could have said he's the best cinematographer ever, and his status is still miles below Bale's. Since you seemed to be talking about Bale having the status and that meaning something, I thought you were on a similar view of status.

If you find your own analogy meaningless, I frankly don't understand discussing the point.

I think you're completely wrong about Bale's words. I think he was assuming the mistakes were done because the guy is a moron, and I don't think the idea of doing them intentionally, or to purposely sabotage things was ever remotely in his mind.

If, for example, Gordon Ramsay starts screaming at one of the chefs on Hell's Kitchen for undercooking chicken, and he says, “Are you trying to poison the customers!?” That doesn't imply that he actually believes they are really acting with the intention of poisoning the customers.

His own analogy, thrown out in a fit of rage, talks about tearing down the lights, because what else could he say? What he could accidentally do that would mess with the cinematographers job? Nothing. There would be no analogy.

His mistake of walking into the scene so that he was in the shot is unlikely to have no causality behind it? I don't know what that means. Someone shoved him?

Why does he have to be looking for answers?

How do you know that Bale's situation was not one that could justify outrage? You weren't there, and you have absolutely no idea what the situation was.

The whole point of this article, by the way, is not that I think… Hooray for Bale going off on that guy… it is that it is totally ridiculous that anyone cares one way or the other, nevermind everyone just going berserk with the holier than thou attacks on him.

As I mentioned in the article, a video came out at about the same time of Julia Roberts going off worse than Bale on a Papparazzi, and did anyone suddenly say she needed massive therapy, and needed to apologize to the guy? Not likely. The video was bought off in a matter of days, but plenty of people saw it, but is anyone going to talk about it? No. Not sweet, apple pie Julia Roberts.

It's all nonsense.

One of the main points of that was to show that things are taken out of context by everyone because it's impossible to avoid.

How could you expect someone not to interpret your article as a 'status' representation? The first few paragraphs just insult movies that Shane Hurlburt was a part of. Mr 3000, Skulls, Drumline. Sure they weren’t my cup of tea either. Then goes on about how great Bale (career, not the person) is.

I consider both of our analogy’s equally meaningless when it comes to the actual situation.

Yours may have been closer if Ebert went off on you, and gave the impression that he’s going to bail on his work and leave the publishing (or whichever) company out to dry because of his moment of weakness. It then seems appropriate to apologize to you for the actions, not the situation. The situation obviously was not working. (Stating that there were far more circumstances than just you and Ebert on the production phase of the project would also be needed, including the source of confusion. Simply having facts in front of you then writing something else is an entirely different story.)

Bale’s words in essence were assuming mistakes were done intentionally, on purpose to sabotage. His own analogy even used the concept of going around and tearing down lights. Does Shane really want to sabotage a huge budgeted movie like Terminator and flush his career? Something needed to be corrected but Shane’s mistakes are unlikely to have no causality behind them. Simplifying the situation is extremely unfair.

Bale’s outburst was not looking for answers, it was focused anger and pure insults. “The F— is wrong with you” is not a question, it’s an observational degrading statement.

There are absolutely situations that can justify outrage. Bale’s was not one of
them.

One of the main points of that was to show that things are taken out of context by everyone because it's impossible to avoid.

How could you expect someone not to interpret your article as a 'status' representation? The first few paragraphs just insult movies that Shane Hurlburt was a part of. Mr 3000, Skulls, Drumline. Sure they weren’t my cup of tea either. Then goes on about how great Bale (career, not the person) is.

I consider both of our analogy’s equally meaningless when it comes to the actual situation.

Yours may have been closer if Ebert went off on you, and gave the impression that he’s going to bail on his work and leave the publishing (or whichever) company out to dry because of his moment of weakness. It then seems appropriate to apologize to you for the actions, not the situation. The situation obviously was not working. (Stating that there were far more circumstances than just you and Ebert on the production phase of the project would also be needed, including the source of confusion. Simply having facts in front of you then writing something else is an entirely different story.)

Bale’s words in essence were assuming mistakes were done intentionally, on purpose to sabotage. His own analogy even used the concept of going around and tearing down lights. Does Shane really want to sabotage a huge budgeted movie like Terminator and flush his career? Something needed to be corrected but Shane’s mistakes are unlikely to have no causality behind them. Simplifying the situation is extremely unfair.

Bale’s outburst was not looking for answers, it was focused anger and pure insults. “The F— is wrong with you” is not a question, it’s an observational degrading statement.

There are absolutely situations that can justify outrage. Bale’s was not one of
them.